My World Crumbles . . .
Mar 23
As some here may know, I teach part-time in one of the great public university systems in the US. Lately I’ve been teaching in their adult night-school program - a BA-granting program aimed at the needs of full-time working adults who didn’t have a chance to go to college when they were younger. The enrollment is majority female and, this being a working-class New York City population, non-white by a huge majority. Being older, the students bring a lot more life experience and practical wisdom to the class with them, so I expect more savvy from them than from clueless 18-year-olds. But that’s not to say they can’t surprise you.
This term I’m teaching an introductory ethics course. Last night we did a unit on “moral personhood” - the question to whom moral rules apply, or “who counts” within the obligations and protections of a moral theory. I noted that, historically, opinions on this issue had been mixed: at one time many people seriously argued that some normal adult human beings were not moral persons and thus could be enslaved, but opinion has essentially shifted completely on that question; it has also generally been assumed that animals are not moral persons, but opinion has now somewhat shifted on that question. I was trying to set the issue up as a live controversy, and then expecting some discussion of animal rights, abortion, stem-cell research, brain death, and the like as test cases. But the slavery issue caught their attention (and totally derailed my lecture, but that happens).
One of the most thoughtful and insightful students - a black man - asked why, exactly, slavery was wrong. Now, this is the kind of question you want to hear in a philosophical ethics course. Of course - I assumed - he didn’t believe slavery was right, but he wanted an explanation in terms of moral theory, and he wasn’t sure how to go about giving one himself. This was an excellent question - but I was still kind of startled to hear it, especially coming from a black student, especially in a largely-black class, and especially in a class that hadn’t previously been prone to ask such searching questions about other issues. (I’d like to think I’ve successfully made them into philosophers and now it’s paying off, but, frankly, I’m not that sanguine.)
So, OK, the black guy wants to know if there’s anything wrong with slavery. I can deal with that. Some of the other students point out the terrible things involved in slavery - whippings, abuse, being stolen from your native culture, etc.. I have to remind them that the stereotype images of slavery were not universally correct - that most slaves in Europe and the US were born there and did not come directly from Africa, that not all slaves were whipped, not all lived in squalor, some learned skilled trades and were allowed to earn money for themselves, and that US-style chattel slavery as an industry unto itself was not the historical rule. Slavery allowed for many wrongs and abuses, but slavery itself has to be wrong for some other reason - it’s still wrong to enslave people even if you don’t physically abuse them. The guy who raised the question looks startled by this idea. Apparently, he wasn’t just opening a philosophical debate about slavery - he really didn’t know it was bad, and hadn’t considered the idea that it might be a violation of fundamental moral rights.
Thinking to put the issue in sharper focus, I ask them “If you had a choice between being a slave and living in comfort, without being abused, and being free but living in poverty, which would you prefer?” Since - I assumed - freedom was still obviously preferrable, there had to be something bad about slavery beyond the question of physical misery. Bad mistake.
One of the other most talkative, and fairly bright, students - also a black man - thinks it over and declares he’d rather be a slave. I’m dumbfounded, and, like a foundered dummy, I ask him “You would!?” “Yeah! You said that you would get good food and comfortable living conditions. And if you’re a slave, you have no worries! You don’t have to look for a job! I’ll go for that!”
Some of the other students - especially the black women - get on his case for choosing slavery, and he keeps defending himself by pointing to the good living conditions. One woman yells at him “You just want the food! You keep saying ‘it’s the food! . . . There’s good food!’” (He’s a pretty hefty guy, so it’s even funnier, though luckily she doesn’t say that.) The rest of the students are looking uncomfortable. The student tries to minimize all this by saying “I’m not defending slavery . . .” and I lose control and blurt at him “You just did! You said you wanted to be a slave!” He looks chagrined but doesn’t back down.
Being philosophically trained, I keep wanting to use the “Socratic method” - leading questions designed to reveal flaws in another person’s argument - to allow the students to find their own way toward understanding of the subject. And I don’t normally criticize students’ positions on moral issues, whether I like them or not; I concentrate on pointing out strong or weak defenses of those positions. But in this case I can’t make any headway on what I had honestly introduced as a non-controversial moral issue, in the face of a student who says he’d like to give up all his moral rights if he could get some good food and a decent place to sleep.*
I’m watching my class disintegrate before my eyes. I’ve got a shouting match developing, mostly among the black students, over the propriety of slavery. Two of the best students, both black, are criticising the idea that there’s anything wrong with slavery, and one of them wants to be a slave!
The class is taught in this screwed up utility room (they miscalculated their space) that has a huge pillar right in front of the students’ seats, which I have to keep dancing around while I’m addressing the class. I retreat completely behind the pillar and lean against it, hoping this is all a dream. Some of the students see me holding my head in my hands and start laughing. I’m thinking:
(1) Somebody’s going to lynch this guy.
(2) It might be me.
(3) If not, I’m going to wind up on the front page of the New York Post under the headline “SHAME ON CAMPUS!!: Liberal Prof Praises Slavery, Invites Black Students Onto the Plantation!“.
(4) On the other hand, I’ll be famous. Maybe I’ll be in David Horowitz’s next book!
Getting off the slavery topic for a moment, the “bondage-questioning” guy raises another burning moral issue that’s been bugging him: he recites, in lengthy detail, some bizarre story he’d heard about a man who was arrested after being caught humping a road-kill deer carcase. The student was particularly incensed that the same man got a heavier sentence for fucking an already-dead wild animal than he had previously received for killing and then fucking a horse. Why, he wanted to know, was that? The wannabe-slave guy chimes in from a philosophical perspective: if animals are not moral persons, why can’t you just . . . “All right, all right - I get it!” I scream at him. I’m staring, open-mouthed, at my nutcase students. Some of the students are staring at me. Partly I think these two guys are winding me up - just being smartasses. But partly they really want to learn, and, it’s all too evident, these are the things they want to learn about.
It’s that last part that scares me.
So, I waste another half hour of my dwindling class time on a recitation of Supreme Court doctrine on sexual morals laws, culminating with Lawrence v. Texas. One of the students - the cute, shy type - looks physically ill as I carefully detail the legal distinction between sex and sodomy. I manage a convoluted segue back into moral personhood via necrophilia, animal rights, the A/RSPCA, the film Amazing Grace, and, finally . . . slavery. I’m thinking this is actually a fairly deft piece of pedagogy, not that it matters now, because I’m also thinking:
(5) “SCANDAL ON CAMPUS!!: Pervert Prof Endorses Dead Ungulate Fucking!”
I’m going to have David Horowitz and Rick Santorum on my ass.
Still reeling, I eventually put the lecture on Hold to discuss the students’ term papers. On the question whether there are any absolute moral truths - a subject we had discussed at length - every paper I received, with just one exception, endorsed moral relativism (the idea that moral judgment is “just a matter of opinion”, and anything is right for anyone who believes it is). Worse, almost all of them based that claim on the fact that there are deep moral disagreements on some issues - i.e., they believed that because people haven’t agreed what the facts are on some moral issues, there just aren’t any moral facts. (I did get them to agree that not knowing, say, scientific facts, or historical facts, does not mean that there aren’t real scientific or historical truths “out there”, but when I asked them if moral truths might be the same way - that the fact we don’t agree on the answers to moral questions doesn’t mean there aren’t any answers at all - I got a roomful of quizzical looks. I suppose, to a group of which some were willing to endorse slavery, and others willing to actually be slaves, the idea that anything “just is” really and truly wrong may be foreign, but . . . jeezelouise!)
So, great. About a third of the way through the semester in a college-level class on ethical theory, a subject on which I am nominally an expert, all of my students are moral nihilists, one of the black guys wants to be a plantation slave, and another black guy shows an inordinate appreciation for both slavery and carrion-ophilia.
I appear to be practicing negative moral education. By the second quiz I’m sure they’ll be worshipping a pig head and actively hunting the weaker students. Already I have to circulate their photographs to the Central Park Zoo. God knows what they’ll come up with next.
I’m screwed.
Teaching. The Noble Profession.
* Somewhere, Earl Butz is smiling.
#1 by Big U at March 23rd, 2007
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This is too funny. that class must have been a hoot.
Regarding the moral issue, I am amazed a liberal such as yourself would ever assume there are any moral absolutes. The political left has been pushing so hard for so many years to remove God and any Christianity related moral absolutes from everything that it never occurred to me that a liberal might actually think there are moral absolutes.
#2 by Brooklynite at March 23rd, 2007
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Sigh. I miss teaching.
#3 by Katelyn at March 23rd, 2007
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My sister teaches in Washington D.C, it sounds like she is not the only one with this problem…Funny! I thought you might be interested in this http://www.changingthepresent.org/cause/Education_and_Literacy
This is a personal project I started; I thought you all also might be interested in it!
http://www.changingthepresent.org/drives/show/41
#4 by Vicki at March 23rd, 2007
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HHHHAAAAAhahahahahahahaha!
Oh, KTK. Welcome, my friend, to the ranks of the true teachers.
You’re doing a GREAT job. They’re doing exactly what students should do, which is engage with your subject.
Baby steps. You don’t want them to simply regurgitate what you tell them, you want them to think about it. They are. At their own level.
#5 by KTK at March 23rd, 2007
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you want them to think about it. They are. At their own level.
Their current “level” includes fucking dead animals found by the side of the road and imposing chattel slavery on themselves (for the food). I’m terrified to see what the next level might be.
#6 by LarryE at March 24th, 2007
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#7 by tgirsch at March 24th, 2007
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Big U:
You make the mistake of assuming that the existence of God and the existence of absolute moral truths are somehow related. They’re not.
But it was only after lengthy discussions with KTK that I realized that I’m not a moral relativist, and that almost nobody is. I firmly believe that most people who self-identify as moral relativists simply are working from an incorrect or imprecise definition.
What many people view as “relativism” isn’t that at all. To “liberals” like me, the answer to the question “Is general action X wrong” is almost always “it depends.” For example: Is it wrong to kill someone? It depends. When you get down to particulars, there are circumstances when it’s unquestionably wrong to do so, and others where it isn’t. The difference between us “liberals” and conservatives is that we don’t view morality in terms of very broad rules (”thou shalt not kill”), but in terms of the consequences of actions, of who is harmed and to what extent, etc.
#8 by tgirsch at March 24th, 2007
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KTK:
I can’t tell you just how “proud” I am that the guy in question is from my home state. The opposite end of my home state, mind you, and damn near Minnesota, but still…
#9 by Pejar at March 25th, 2007
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Now what do you mean when you say moral relativism? If you mean cultural relativism, then I completely agree that it is a preposterous, often self-defeating theory.
But if you mean subjectivism and the idea that there are no moral absolutes, that certainly seems like the most likely state of the universe. Moral properties would indeed be very queer and suspiciously anthropocentric, suggesting human, rather than natural, origin. Unless we consider morality to be simply what is in our enlightened self-interest, any God that could exist would be unable to create morality from nothing because the authority to create morality would have to come from pre-existing morality. I can see no reason why morality would just exist in nature when there is no need for it, and evolutionary explanations of morality commit the naturalistic fallacy a thousand times. That leaves the morality-from-reason approach favoured by people like Kant, which fall apart into mere assertion, and furthermore reduce immorality to making a logical mistake. So where is objective morality in all that?
Subjective morality need not mean moral disinterest (which would seem the best understanding of nihilism). One can accept that one’s moral views have no objective basis but still, just like with one’s view of something like ‘coolness’, argue to persuade others. Thus the biggest ‘virtues’ of a moral theory are its appeal to us and its ability to persuade others.
As to the example of sex with dead animals, this is far less clear cut than you suggest. Presuming you take an already-dead animal, there is no question of mistreating it. Unlike with dead humans, it will not greatly disturb the family (an argument usually used against regular necrophilia). Probably the best argument against it is the danger of spreading disease, but this is only effective if we are willing to expose promiscuous unprotected sex with humans to the same scrutiny. If we just assume it is wrong because it seems yucky, then surely you’ll agree that is a dangerous precedent and one ethics should avoid?
And as for slavery, I would definitely agree with you that choosing non-slavery over slavery would be a no-brainer. But I suppose the question is, is it wrong even where entered into voluntarily with no inequality of bargaining power? Must our autonomy be continuing, or can we give it away voluntarily (and if not, how can we morally bind ourselves)? Perhaps (tentatively) it is not always wrong, but there is such potential for abuse that the law should always treat it as wrong nevertheless?
#10 by tgirsch at March 26th, 2007
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Pejar:
View “moral” like “yellow.” Once we agree on a definition for “yellow,” we can say with certainty that something definitely is or definitely is not yellow. Same thing for morality. The trick with morality is in agreeing upon the definition.
#11 by Fred at March 26th, 2007
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“I am amazed a liberal such as yourself would ever assume there are any moral absolutes. The political left has been pushing so hard for so many years to remove God and any Christianity related moral absolutes from everything that it never occurred to me that a liberal might actually think there are moral absolutes.”
Don’t be amazed. As you can see, they will change the definitions of words to suit their perverse positions.
When I was in college I had a pointy-headed liberal teacher who made the statement that there are no abolutes. After class I asked him why he would say that when he had made an absolute statement that there are no absolutes. He refused to answer the question and in chicken liberal fashion he walked away.
#12 by tgirsch at March 26th, 2007
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Fred:
Coming from a guy whose party is known for things like “It wasn’t a plan, it was a series of actionable items,” that’s pretty rich…
#13 by Pejar at March 26th, 2007
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Tgirsch:
If you want to define morality as something like “That which is in the actor’s enlightened self-interest” then yeah, I’ll buy that it’s objective. But as for actions having objective moral properties, that seems like an extraordinary claim for which there is pretty much no evidence, let alone proof.
#14 by Dan at March 26th, 2007
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Metaphysical confidence is somewhat of a “turn off.”
#15 by Dan M. at March 26th, 2007
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Poor KTK. I’m glad I only taught programming. Much less room for fiascos. Although… there was one unfortunate scene involving lexical closures.
#16 by tgirsch at March 27th, 2007
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Pejar:
If you want to define morality as something like “That which is in the actor’s enlightened self-interest” then yeah
I don’t think anyone would argue for such a definition. Whatever morality is, it has many components, and it’s considerably more complicated than simple self-interest. In fact, it can’t be self-interest: every concept of morality I’m aware of concerns itself primarily with how your actions affect and/or are perceived by others. Whether those others be just other people, or God, or whatever else, is of no importance.
That doesn’t mean it has to be either transcendent or relative. Think about the questions you ask yourself when in a moral quandary, and I think you’ll see that morality is not purely relative. This doesn’t mean that it’s never fuzzy, of course, or that people will always agree. It simply means that where there is a disagreement, one or both parties must be in some way incorrect.
Circle back around to this post’s example: chattel slavery. At one time, embarrassingly not all that long ago, such forced servitude was not considered immoral. We reject this position as unequivocally wrong. It’s not a matter of opinion, and it’s not something that was once okay, but later became wrong. It was always wrong.
#17 by Pejar at March 28th, 2007
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A lot of people do indeed claim that morality is only in the end self-interested. A claim that used to be popular among religious conservatives (although less so now) is that the fact that God would reward and punish in certain ways provides the external sanctions which actually determine right and wrong, such that it is against one’s self-interest in the long run to sin, etc.
“The questions you ask yourself when in a moral quandary” don’t, I think, really give much weight to morality as objectively true. The analogue I always use is coolness. If I were particularly concerned about being cool, I would be asking myself whether this or that added or detracted from the overall effect *as if it was an objective property*. However, that does not make it such. It just says something about the human tendency to imagine as objective values which are entirely human generated.
As I said before, that does not mean I think we should trivialise our moral beliefs. We can hold them passionately and intelligently while also recognising their subjective nature. Now, you point out that practices like slavery which were once thought of as wrong are now unequivocally denounced. That is true of things other than slavery - human sacrifice, for example. Following that, I imagine that if humanity survives then things which are accepted today will one day be thought of as monstrous (I can certainly think of a couple of things I hope will fall into that category). Our moral intuitions and the way we slot these intuitions together into a vaguely coherent whole will change, but none of this speaks for objective morality - in fact it speaks the opposite way. Human views change and evolve with circumstances and culture, as well as being informed by our evolutionary impulses. Just because one culture feels that something previously done was unequivocally wrong doesn’t make it so. It doesn’t mean that they are closer to any truth, just that things have changed.
#18 by Doodee at February 1st, 2008
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Thanks for sharing