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	<description>The View From the Sinister Side of Life</description>
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		<title>By: Rachel I.</title>
		<link>http://www.leanleft.com/archives/2007/06/25/6156/comment-page-1/#comment-313871</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel I.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred says:  &quot;Thanks for the warning. I try not to pollute my mind with perversion.&quot;

So why do you bother hanging out at places like Lean Left?  By the above claim, you should have a little fortress in the woods somewhere, without TV service or Internet or radio or newspapers -- just your safe little copy of the KJV, and maybe some Veggie Tales tapes.  Then you&#039;d be completely safe from the external world&#039;s perversions.  And subsisting takes a lot of work, so you wouldn&#039;t even have to worry about that &quot;idle hands&quot; clause!

Whaddya think?  Looks like possibly the best solution for your concerns.  No gays, no temptations, no Libruls...  it&#039;d be great!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred says:  &#8220;Thanks for the warning. I try not to pollute my mind with perversion.&#8221;</p>
<p>So why do you bother hanging out at places like Lean Left?  By the above claim, you should have a little fortress in the woods somewhere, without TV service or Internet or radio or newspapers &#8212; just your safe little copy of the KJV, and maybe some Veggie Tales tapes.  Then you&#8217;d be completely safe from the external world&#8217;s perversions.  And subsisting takes a lot of work, so you wouldn&#8217;t even have to worry about that &#8220;idle hands&#8221; clause!</p>
<p>Whaddya think?  Looks like possibly the best solution for your concerns.  No gays, no temptations, no Libruls&#8230;  it&#8217;d be great!</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
		<link>http://www.leanleft.com/archives/2007/06/25/6156/comment-page-1/#comment-313868</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Going after the illegal immigrants is considerably less productive than going after the unscrupulous businesses who attract and hire them. You want people stop coming here illegally? Cut off their incentive for doing so.&quot;

I agree with you.  Therefore, you may want to rethink your position.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Going after the illegal immigrants is considerably less productive than going after the unscrupulous businesses who attract and hire them. You want people stop coming here illegally? Cut off their incentive for doing so.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree with you.  Therefore, you may want to rethink your position.  <img src='http://www.leanleft.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: tgirsch</title>
		<link>http://www.leanleft.com/archives/2007/06/25/6156/comment-page-1/#comment-313860</link>
		<dc:creator>tgirsch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Fred:&lt;/b&gt;

I guess I didn&#039;t realize George W. Bush was a &quot;liberal.&quot;  And in case you haven&#039;t been paying attention, immigration reform involves a lot more than just illegal immigration.

For the record, I don&#039;t support illegal immigration; I merely differ with most conservatives on what ought to be done about it.  Going after the illegal immigrants is considerably less productive than going after the unscrupulous businesses who attract and hire them.  You want people stop coming here illegally?  Cut off their incentive for doing so.

&lt;b&gt;Digg:&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;i&gt;They are taking the shit jobs that Americans won’t do, certainly &lt;b&gt;not for the wages the employers want to pay.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

And that&#039;s the kicker, right there.  It&#039;s not that Americans don&#039;t want to pick lettuce.  It&#039;s that Americans don&#039;t want to pick lettuce &lt;i&gt;for $3 an hour&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Fred:</b></p>
<p>I guess I didn&#8217;t realize George W. Bush was a &#8220;liberal.&#8221;  And in case you haven&#8217;t been paying attention, immigration reform involves a lot more than just illegal immigration.</p>
<p>For the record, I don&#8217;t support illegal immigration; I merely differ with most conservatives on what ought to be done about it.  Going after the illegal immigrants is considerably less productive than going after the unscrupulous businesses who attract and hire them.  You want people stop coming here illegally?  Cut off their incentive for doing so.</p>
<p><b>Digg:</b><br />
<i>They are taking the shit jobs that Americans won’t do, certainly <b>not for the wages the employers want to pay.</b></i></p>
<p>And that&#8217;s the kicker, right there.  It&#8217;s not that Americans don&#8217;t want to pick lettuce.  It&#8217;s that Americans don&#8217;t want to pick lettuce <i>for $3 an hour</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: digglahhh</title>
		<link>http://www.leanleft.com/archives/2007/06/25/6156/comment-page-1/#comment-313837</link>
		<dc:creator>digglahhh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, credit that one to Greg Giraldo.  He&#039;s very funny, but guys like you don&#039;t understand humor, so here it is in bland, simple terms.

You are disingenuous too, because you say that the (illegal) immigrants are taking your jobs (ones that may theoretically be desirable), but they are not taking &quot;your&quot; jobs.  They are taking the shit jobs that Americans won&#039;t do, certainly not for the wages the employers want to pay.

They are doing jobs like delivering Chinese food for fifty cents per hour.  Do you want to do that job?  No.  That&#039;s the joke.

&quot;Who else is going to peddle their bicycle against traffic on the highway to bring me a panini sandwich for lunch?&quot; -Patrice O&#039;Neal (another one of those so-called comedians).

Now, Fred, do you or your family aspire to do hard manual labor for less than minimum wage?  If not, then they are not taking your jobs.

Did I really just have to explain that joke?

That was brutal...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, credit that one to Greg Giraldo.  He&#8217;s very funny, but guys like you don&#8217;t understand humor, so here it is in bland, simple terms.</p>
<p>You are disingenuous too, because you say that the (illegal) immigrants are taking your jobs (ones that may theoretically be desirable), but they are not taking &#8220;your&#8221; jobs.  They are taking the shit jobs that Americans won&#8217;t do, certainly not for the wages the employers want to pay.</p>
<p>They are doing jobs like delivering Chinese food for fifty cents per hour.  Do you want to do that job?  No.  That&#8217;s the joke.</p>
<p>&#8220;Who else is going to peddle their bicycle against traffic on the highway to bring me a panini sandwich for lunch?&#8221; -Patrice O&#8217;Neal (another one of those so-called comedians).</p>
<p>Now, Fred, do you or your family aspire to do hard manual labor for less than minimum wage?  If not, then they are not taking your jobs.</p>
<p>Did I really just have to explain that joke?</p>
<p>That was brutal&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
		<link>http://www.leanleft.com/archives/2007/06/25/6156/comment-page-1/#comment-313819</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You know, the one where you pretend that you want to deliver your own Chinese Food…&quot;

Good one.  You libs are good at making up thing that no one has said.  Typical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You know, the one where you pretend that you want to deliver your own Chinese Food…&#8221;</p>
<p>Good one.  You libs are good at making up thing that no one has said.  Typical.</p>
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		<title>By: digglahhh</title>
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		<dc:creator>digglahhh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, just like the trick you guys play when you talk about illegal immigrants stealing your jobs.

You know, the one where you pretend that you want to deliver your own Chinese Food...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, just like the trick you guys play when you talk about illegal immigrants stealing your jobs.</p>
<p>You know, the one where you pretend that you want to deliver your own Chinese Food&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
		<link>http://www.leanleft.com/archives/2007/06/25/6156/comment-page-1/#comment-313644</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...immigration, just look at what side the social conservatives are on...&quot;

That&#039;s a nice trick that you liberals like to play.  You leave out the word &quot;illegal&quot; before &quot;immigration&quot; and you try to make it seem as though conservatives are opposed to all immigration.  That is a flat out lie.  However, you think that if you repeat it often enough people will think your lie is truth.  Of course, I wouldn&#039;t expect anything less (or more) from such a dishonest group of people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;immigration, just look at what side the social conservatives are on&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a nice trick that you liberals like to play.  You leave out the word &#8220;illegal&#8221; before &#8220;immigration&#8221; and you try to make it seem as though conservatives are opposed to all immigration.  That is a flat out lie.  However, you think that if you repeat it often enough people will think your lie is truth.  Of course, I wouldn&#8217;t expect anything less (or more) from such a dishonest group of people.</p>
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		<title>By: mushin no shin &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Quote of the Day</title>
		<link>http://www.leanleft.com/archives/2007/06/25/6156/comment-page-1/#comment-313540</link>
		<dc:creator>mushin no shin &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Quote of the Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Quote of the Day   When you’re unsure about a given issue, whether it’s race relations or equal rights for women, or marriage equality or immigration, just look at what side the social conservatives are on, and it’s a fair bet that history will judge that side to be the wrong one. &#8212; tgirsch [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Quote of the Day   When you’re unsure about a given issue, whether it’s race relations or equal rights for women, or marriage equality or immigration, just look at what side the social conservatives are on, and it’s a fair bet that history will judge that side to be the wrong one. &#8212; tgirsch [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dan M.</title>
		<link>http://www.leanleft.com/archives/2007/06/25/6156/comment-page-1/#comment-313227</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 05:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh!  Can I get in on this pool?  I&#039;m betting on &quot;make things up&quot;, along with some mumbo-jumbo about how the storm (or was it wind?  Whatever.) god of the OT magically turned into the monotheists&#039; god two thousand years after it was written about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh!  Can I get in on this pool?  I&#8217;m betting on &#8220;make things up&#8221;, along with some mumbo-jumbo about how the storm (or was it wind?  Whatever.) god of the OT magically turned into the monotheists&#8217; god two thousand years after it was written about.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
		<link>http://www.leanleft.com/archives/2007/06/25/6156/comment-page-1/#comment-313175</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 03:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred, I agree that the garbage in/out statement need not be confined to computers.  I was simply pointing out how it is a rather unflattering description of an unimpaired adult.  I suppose I agree that it could be used to describe your thought process.

As for the story being garbage, my point was not that a story about people can not be garbage, but rather that it is a failing that you would prejudge the story to be so, simply because the characters in the story are gay.  This is close-mindedness and prejudice on a grand scale.  I imagine you would agree that Hitler was an evil, immoral person, perhaps you would even grant that he was more evil and immoral than the typical gay person (although I&#039;m not sure about that).  Would you automatically assume a film about Hitler was garbage because he was immoral?  I doubt it.  The fact that you automatically categorize a film about gay people as perversion and garbage - that is what strikes me as unchristian.  I hope that clears it up for you.

(Will you go with the standard liar, strange person, or make things up retort to Dan M?  My money is on strange person.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred, I agree that the garbage in/out statement need not be confined to computers.  I was simply pointing out how it is a rather unflattering description of an unimpaired adult.  I suppose I agree that it could be used to describe your thought process.</p>
<p>As for the story being garbage, my point was not that a story about people can not be garbage, but rather that it is a failing that you would prejudge the story to be so, simply because the characters in the story are gay.  This is close-mindedness and prejudice on a grand scale.  I imagine you would agree that Hitler was an evil, immoral person, perhaps you would even grant that he was more evil and immoral than the typical gay person (although I&#8217;m not sure about that).  Would you automatically assume a film about Hitler was garbage because he was immoral?  I doubt it.  The fact that you automatically categorize a film about gay people as perversion and garbage &#8211; that is what strikes me as unchristian.  I hope that clears it up for you.</p>
<p>(Will you go with the standard liar, strange person, or make things up retort to Dan M?  My money is on strange person.)</p>
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