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	<title>Comments on: Huckabee: An Exceedingly Clever Christian (but don&#8217;t tell anyone)</title>
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		<title>By: Morris</title>
		<link>http://www.leanleft.com/archives/2007/12/19/6406/comment-page-1/#comment-431787</link>
		<dc:creator>Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If the cover of our organization’s annual report had any sort of religious symbol displayed that prominently on it, intentional or not, I think it is safe to say that it is at least possible I would be fired.&quot;

Be careful with bookcases and windowpanes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If the cover of our organization’s annual report had any sort of religious symbol displayed that prominently on it, intentional or not, I think it is safe to say that it is at least possible I would be fired.&#8221;</p>
<p>Be careful with bookcases and windowpanes.</p>
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		<title>By: digglahhh</title>
		<link>http://www.leanleft.com/archives/2007/12/19/6406/comment-page-1/#comment-431758</link>
		<dc:creator>digglahhh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To anybody who claims it was an accident, have any of you actually ever held a real job?

Where I work, one of the things I&#039;m (partially) responsible for is the production of our organization&#039;s publications.  If the cover of our organization&#039;s annual report had any sort of religious symbol displayed that prominently on it, intentional or not, I think it is safe to say that it is at least possible I would be fired.  Even if it was unintentional, it certainly registers as a horribly egregious oversight, again, the likes of which people can, and are, fired over.  

Hey, who remembers the penis on the Little Mermaid VHS cover?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To anybody who claims it was an accident, have any of you actually ever held a real job?</p>
<p>Where I work, one of the things I&#8217;m (partially) responsible for is the production of our organization&#8217;s publications.  If the cover of our organization&#8217;s annual report had any sort of religious symbol displayed that prominently on it, intentional or not, I think it is safe to say that it is at least possible I would be fired.  Even if it was unintentional, it certainly registers as a horribly egregious oversight, again, the likes of which people can, and are, fired over.  </p>
<p>Hey, who remembers the penis on the Little Mermaid VHS cover?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin T. Keith</title>
		<link>http://www.leanleft.com/archives/2007/12/19/6406/comment-page-1/#comment-431716</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin T. Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Dan M:&lt;/strong&gt;

That story is just an amalgam of an AP ad-analysis (the first paragraph) and the Byron York story in NRO. It contains the line about how he &quot;found himself&quot; just happening to make a lil&#039; ol&#039; Jesus speech while the cameras just happened to be rolling.

Interestingly, the AP paragraph is the only version I&#039;ve seen so far that corrects his ungrammatical first sentence (&quot;Are you about worn out of [sic] all the television commercials you’ve been seeing . . .&quot;), or even (implicitly) notices it. Usually that kind of stuff gets mentioned. Huckabee&#039;s such a rube you can&#039;t even get down to the level of his command of English.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Dan M:</strong></p>
<p>That story is just an amalgam of an AP ad-analysis (the first paragraph) and the Byron York story in NRO. It contains the line about how he &#8220;found himself&#8221; just happening to make a lil&#8217; ol&#8217; Jesus speech while the cameras just happened to be rolling.</p>
<p>Interestingly, the AP paragraph is the only version I&#8217;ve seen so far that corrects his ungrammatical first sentence (&#8220;Are you about worn out of [sic] all the television commercials you’ve been seeing . . .&#8221;), or even (implicitly) notices it. Usually that kind of stuff gets mentioned. Huckabee&#8217;s such a rube you can&#8217;t even get down to the level of his command of English.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan M.</title>
		<link>http://www.leanleft.com/archives/2007/12/19/6406/comment-page-1/#comment-431440</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 06:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, this is fun.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://sistrunk.net/?p=2348&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s a rather more sympathetic telling of the production.&lt;/a&gt;

It&#039;s pretty obvious that the &lt;i&gt;individual word choice&lt;/i&gt; was the only part not pre-planned.

(Full disclosure:  I can&#039;t actually stomach listening to some God-thumping blow-hard tell me that his &lt;strike&gt;filo&lt;/strike&gt;genocidal sky daddy is the reason some death cult stole the solstice celebration; I haven&#039;t actually watched the ad being discussed.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, this is fun.  <a href="http://sistrunk.net/?p=2348" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s a rather more sympathetic telling of the production.</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s pretty obvious that the <i>individual word choice</i> was the only part not pre-planned.</p>
<p>(Full disclosure:  I can&#8217;t actually stomach listening to some God-thumping blow-hard tell me that his <strike>filo</strike>genocidal sky daddy is the reason some death cult stole the solstice celebration; I haven&#8217;t actually watched the ad being discussed.)</p>
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		<title>By: Dan M.</title>
		<link>http://www.leanleft.com/archives/2007/12/19/6406/comment-page-1/#comment-431435</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 06:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ted,

That&#039;s completely plausible; YouTube sacrifices a &lt;i&gt;huge&lt;/i&gt; amount of quality to its compression, even compared to the paucity that is TV.  Also, gamma is all kinds of funky.

I&#039;m quite happy to believe that it wasn&#039;t meant to pop out quite so much.  Then again, I have trouble believing that it wasn&#039;t intentional that it was there.  And the response seems... absurd.  &quot;[F]ound himself [...] in front of a camera&quot; and &quot;ad-libbed&quot; is about as plausible as me saying &quot;But officer, I just &lt;i&gt;happened&lt;/i&gt; to be in this tabernacle with a fire axe, and just happened to be practicing my ia-jitsu; I didn&#039;t &lt;i&gt;plan&lt;/i&gt; to desecrate anything.&quot;

And to clarify for Fred, I mean that it&#039;s not at all plausible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ted,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s completely plausible; YouTube sacrifices a <i>huge</i> amount of quality to its compression, even compared to the paucity that is TV.  Also, gamma is all kinds of funky.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m quite happy to believe that it wasn&#8217;t meant to pop out quite so much.  Then again, I have trouble believing that it wasn&#8217;t intentional that it was there.  And the response seems&#8230; absurd.  &#8220;[F]ound himself [...] in front of a camera&#8221; and &#8220;ad-libbed&#8221; is about as plausible as me saying &#8220;But officer, I just <i>happened</i> to be in this tabernacle with a fire axe, and just happened to be practicing my ia-jitsu; I didn&#8217;t <i>plan</i> to desecrate anything.&#8221;</p>
<p>And to clarify for Fred, I mean that it&#8217;s not at all plausible.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 04:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good point.  but if you see the ad on tv, you will see what i mean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good point.  but if you see the ad on tv, you will see what i mean.</p>
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		<title>By: tgirsch</title>
		<link>http://www.leanleft.com/archives/2007/12/19/6406/comment-page-1/#comment-431116</link>
		<dc:creator>tgirsch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Ted:&lt;/b&gt;

Normally, I&#039;d be sympathetic to what you&#039;re saying, but in this case, not so much.  For starters, the &lt;a href=&quot;http://youtube.com/watch?v=8xn7uSHtkuA&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ad&lt;/a&gt; (linked by the Huckabee campaign &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAction=Newsroom.Videos&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;  ) has precisely the highlights you claim are &quot;severely tweaked,&quot; including the dark side of the face.  In fact, if anything, it looks a bit more faded in the still above than in the video itself.

Secondly, as much as I hate agreeing with Bill Donahue about &lt;i&gt;anything&lt;/i&gt;, I find it more than a little hard to believe that cross imagery in an explicitly Christian ad by a candidate who has built his entire support network by pandering to evangelical Christians, could be anything other than intentional.

&lt;b&gt;Morris:&lt;/b&gt;

If you&#039;re accusing Bill Donahue of being full of hate, we finally agree on something!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Ted:</b></p>
<p>Normally, I&#8217;d be sympathetic to what you&#8217;re saying, but in this case, not so much.  For starters, the <a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=8xn7uSHtkuA" rel="nofollow">ad</a> (linked by the Huckabee campaign <a href="http://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAction=Newsroom.Videos" rel="nofollow">here</a>  ) has precisely the highlights you claim are &#8220;severely tweaked,&#8221; including the dark side of the face.  In fact, if anything, it looks a bit more faded in the still above than in the video itself.</p>
<p>Secondly, as much as I hate agreeing with Bill Donahue about <i>anything</i>, I find it more than a little hard to believe that cross imagery in an explicitly Christian ad by a candidate who has built his entire support network by pandering to evangelical Christians, could be anything other than intentional.</p>
<p><b>Morris:</b></p>
<p>If you&#8217;re accusing Bill Donahue of being full of hate, we finally agree on something!</p>
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		<title>By: Morris</title>
		<link>http://www.leanleft.com/archives/2007/12/19/6406/comment-page-1/#comment-431016</link>
		<dc:creator>Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The controversy is all about hate that causes people to see  things that normal people don&#039;t see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The controversy is all about hate that causes people to see  things that normal people don&#8217;t see.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you see the actual ad, you will see the cross does not glow at all. It is quite clearly a bookcase and unless you were looking for it I doubt you would see it.  The online version has been severely tweaked to make the cross pop.  Notice how dark the left side of Huckabee&#039;s face is.  Unless they were going for a satanic look, there is no way the scene was lit this way.  The actual ad has normal production values, not film noir.

As for the shoot, even a short spot like this takes hours to block out and light properly.  All of which would be done without the talent there.  And in this case without needing a script.  So it is completely reasonable that the crew and director were there setting up everything and then Huckabee showed up, got in his makeup, and delivered the speech.  If someone wrote out the speech beforhand, there was a script.  If he worked it out in his head sitting in makeup, then there was no script.  But the complexity of the shoot is unrelated to the script.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you see the actual ad, you will see the cross does not glow at all. It is quite clearly a bookcase and unless you were looking for it I doubt you would see it.  The online version has been severely tweaked to make the cross pop.  Notice how dark the left side of Huckabee&#8217;s face is.  Unless they were going for a satanic look, there is no way the scene was lit this way.  The actual ad has normal production values, not film noir.</p>
<p>As for the shoot, even a short spot like this takes hours to block out and light properly.  All of which would be done without the talent there.  And in this case without needing a script.  So it is completely reasonable that the crew and director were there setting up everything and then Huckabee showed up, got in his makeup, and delivered the speech.  If someone wrote out the speech beforhand, there was a script.  If he worked it out in his head sitting in makeup, then there was no script.  But the complexity of the shoot is unrelated to the script.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin T. Keith</title>
		<link>http://www.leanleft.com/archives/2007/12/19/6406/comment-page-1/#comment-430061</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin T. Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 03:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Or maybe he’s just sitting on a rotating stool and turning with the camera while he talks?&lt;/em&gt;

I addressed that explicitly in the following paragraph. (&quot;put Huckabee and the camera on a rolling platform and roll it or rotate it&quot;) It would have to be more than just him spinning on a stool - the camera has to move around him in a circle, and he doesn&#039;t look like he&#039;s doing the pushing himself. He&#039;d also have to do it so that the cross and tree move to precisely selected positions, behind him, while he sits there, stealthily squirms his feet to move the stool without wiggling, and casually ad-libs an entire ad about Jesus to within two seconds&#039; accuracy, all without any preparation.

Nope. 

&lt;em&gt;I think the cross was intentional, but the accusation the were building elaborate moving sets to do it is just silly.&lt;/em&gt;

Hardly silly - that&#039;s the way TV commercials are made. It&#039;s commonplace (certainly much more so than the scenario above, which you yourself suggest is what happened).

Again, it doesn&#039;t matter how the commercial was made - what&#039;s startling is that they felt they had to lie about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Or maybe he’s just sitting on a rotating stool and turning with the camera while he talks?</em></p>
<p>I addressed that explicitly in the following paragraph. (&#8220;put Huckabee and the camera on a rolling platform and roll it or rotate it&#8221;) It would have to be more than just him spinning on a stool &#8211; the camera has to move around him in a circle, and he doesn&#8217;t look like he&#8217;s doing the pushing himself. He&#8217;d also have to do it so that the cross and tree move to precisely selected positions, behind him, while he sits there, stealthily squirms his feet to move the stool without wiggling, and casually ad-libs an entire ad about Jesus to within two seconds&#8217; accuracy, all without any preparation.</p>
<p>Nope. </p>
<p><em>I think the cross was intentional, but the accusation the were building elaborate moving sets to do it is just silly.</em></p>
<p>Hardly silly &#8211; that&#8217;s the way TV commercials are made. It&#8217;s commonplace (certainly much more so than the scenario above, which you yourself suggest is what happened).</p>
<p>Again, it doesn&#8217;t matter how the commercial was made &#8211; what&#8217;s startling is that they felt they had to lie about it.</p>
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