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		<title>By: John V. De Nicola</title>
		<link>http://www.leanleft.com/archives/2008/08/29/6730/comment-page-1/#comment-612249</link>
		<dc:creator>John V. De Nicola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 20:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought McCain and his &quot;MY FRIEND&quot; bit was annoying,
but what grates on my nerves is the media saying &quot;S. Palin 
Didn&#039;t say new-clear like &quot;W&quot; does. However She says EYE-RAq.Someone please give her elocution lessons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought McCain and his &#8220;MY FRIEND&#8221; bit was annoying,<br />
but what grates on my nerves is the media saying &#8220;S. Palin<br />
Didn&#8217;t say new-clear like &#8220;W&#8221; does. However She says EYE-RAq.Someone please give her elocution lessons.</p>
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		<title>By: tgirsch</title>
		<link>http://www.leanleft.com/archives/2008/08/29/6730/comment-page-1/#comment-610901</link>
		<dc:creator>tgirsch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Gatt:&lt;/b&gt;

Maybe there&#039;s some of that, but I think the anti-intellectualist stripe runs a lot deeper than you think.  And I don&#039;t think it has anything at all to do with humility.  W passes the beer test handily, at least in middle America, but hasn&#039;t shown so much as an ounce of humility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Gatt:</b></p>
<p>Maybe there&#8217;s some of that, but I think the anti-intellectualist stripe runs a lot deeper than you think.  And I don&#8217;t think it has anything at all to do with humility.  W passes the beer test handily, at least in middle America, but hasn&#8217;t shown so much as an ounce of humility.</p>
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		<title>By: gattsuru</title>
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		<dc:creator>gattsuru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tgirsch, there is certainly some anti-intellectualism out there, but I think you&#039;re mistaking some of its close neighbors.  The &quot;could I see him or her with a beer at my bar&quot; test isn&#039;t about individuals being stupid -- the Kennedy clan almost certainly passes the test where Nixon would not -- but as a general metric of the &quot;holy virtues&quot; of humilitas.  There&#039;s a certain and unfortunate inverse correlation between it and intelligence, at least for political candidates, but it&#039;s really not the same thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tgirsch, there is certainly some anti-intellectualism out there, but I think you&#8217;re mistaking some of its close neighbors.  The &#8220;could I see him or her with a beer at my bar&#8221; test isn&#8217;t about individuals being stupid &#8212; the Kennedy clan almost certainly passes the test where Nixon would not &#8212; but as a general metric of the &#8220;holy virtues&#8221; of humilitas.  There&#8217;s a certain and unfortunate inverse correlation between it and intelligence, at least for political candidates, but it&#8217;s really not the same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
		<link>http://www.leanleft.com/archives/2008/08/29/6730/comment-page-1/#comment-610859</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I agree with tgirsch. Also, I don&#039;t subscribe to the concept that complete lack of knowledge on an issue represents an improvement over any policy on that issue.  There are multitudes of people who do not understand, and have no experience dealing with, the important issues of our time.  Appointing one of them to be VP candidate does not, in my opinion, represent a reasonable approach to reducing corruption nor does it embody a &quot;fresh approach&quot;.  It makes a complete mockery of the office of the VP.

Ignorance is not a virtue.  We need informed, serious people who have studied the issues, formed opinions, and made those opinions public so that their opinions/positions can be judged.  If judged well, then those folks are elected to office and given the opportunity to implement the changes they have espoused.

As an aside, a Fox commenter actually stated that Palin must have foreign policy experience because Alaska is in close proximity to Russia.  This is true.  I&#039;ll go on record stating that living in Alaska does not, in and of itself, provide anyone with foreign policy experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I agree with tgirsch. Also, I don&#8217;t subscribe to the concept that complete lack of knowledge on an issue represents an improvement over any policy on that issue.  There are multitudes of people who do not understand, and have no experience dealing with, the important issues of our time.  Appointing one of them to be VP candidate does not, in my opinion, represent a reasonable approach to reducing corruption nor does it embody a &#8220;fresh approach&#8221;.  It makes a complete mockery of the office of the VP.</p>
<p>Ignorance is not a virtue.  We need informed, serious people who have studied the issues, formed opinions, and made those opinions public so that their opinions/positions can be judged.  If judged well, then those folks are elected to office and given the opportunity to implement the changes they have espoused.</p>
<p>As an aside, a Fox commenter actually stated that Palin must have foreign policy experience because Alaska is in close proximity to Russia.  This is true.  I&#8217;ll go on record stating that living in Alaska does not, in and of itself, provide anyone with foreign policy experience.</p>
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		<title>By: tgirsch</title>
		<link>http://www.leanleft.com/archives/2008/08/29/6730/comment-page-1/#comment-610735</link>
		<dc:creator>tgirsch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 03:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Big U:&lt;/b&gt;

It&#039;s not just about the attitude, but also about the policies.  And Palin is pretty much party-line GOP, meaning new face, same failed policies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Big U:</b></p>
<p>It&#8217;s not just about the attitude, but also about the policies.  And Palin is pretty much party-line GOP, meaning new face, same failed policies.</p>
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		<title>By: Big U</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big U</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 03:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ted,

The beauty pageants comment wouldn&#039;t bug me if it wasn&#039;t for the fact they are coming from the holier-than-thou left that screams sexism and oppression any time someone on the right makes any type of comment like that.  

I understood your comparison.  But part of what Obama is pushing is the fresh new attitude that hasn&#039;t been corrupted by the old boys network in Washington.  Seems Palin will make that a tougher sell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ted,</p>
<p>The beauty pageants comment wouldn&#8217;t bug me if it wasn&#8217;t for the fact they are coming from the holier-than-thou left that screams sexism and oppression any time someone on the right makes any type of comment like that.  </p>
<p>I understood your comparison.  But part of what Obama is pushing is the fresh new attitude that hasn&#8217;t been corrupted by the old boys network in Washington.  Seems Palin will make that a tougher sell.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Palin is giggling in thge background. Is this the strong, ethical, politician we want negotiating for us? Or is this a high school class president candidate?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKkydrUnBZE&amp;eurl=http://dailykos.com/

pulled this from Kos...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Palin is giggling in thge background. Is this the strong, ethical, politician we want negotiating for us? Or is this a high school class president candidate?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKkydrUnBZE&#038;eurl=http://dailykos.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKkydrUnBZE&#038;eurl=http://dailykos.com/</a></p>
<p>pulled this from Kos&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big U, lighten up.  Nothing wrong with beauty pageants.  My point was to contrast that with Obama&#039;s time teaching constitutional law, which is more relevant to the jobs at hand, that&#039;s all.  She says she only did it to raise money for college (pretty much the standard refrain).  Which is fine.  There&#039;s just so little else o talk about when it comes to her.

Well, we could talk about the bridge I guess.  She&#039;s a big &quot;cut the waste&quot; crusader.  Except she was in favor of the bridge when it was going to be paid for by the Feds.  It was only when the federal money went away that she flipped on the bridge and decided to not support it.

But hey, you guys are all about minimizing risk, saying Obama is too risky.  If this VP choice does not give you pause for concern, then I guess all must be OK.  (Or else your position has changed 180 degrees due to the situation at hand.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big U, lighten up.  Nothing wrong with beauty pageants.  My point was to contrast that with Obama&#8217;s time teaching constitutional law, which is more relevant to the jobs at hand, that&#8217;s all.  She says she only did it to raise money for college (pretty much the standard refrain).  Which is fine.  There&#8217;s just so little else o talk about when it comes to her.</p>
<p>Well, we could talk about the bridge I guess.  She&#8217;s a big &#8220;cut the waste&#8221; crusader.  Except she was in favor of the bridge when it was going to be paid for by the Feds.  It was only when the federal money went away that she flipped on the bridge and decided to not support it.</p>
<p>But hey, you guys are all about minimizing risk, saying Obama is too risky.  If this VP choice does not give you pause for concern, then I guess all must be OK.  (Or else your position has changed 180 degrees due to the situation at hand.)</p>
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		<title>By: tgirsch</title>
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		<dc:creator>tgirsch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem that I have is that in modern politics being intelligent and knowing what the hell you&#039;re talking about are somehow considered &lt;i&gt;negatives&lt;/i&gt; for the job of president.  I&#039;ll never get that.  I look for a lot of things in a president, and &quot;drinking buddy&quot; isn&#039;t one of them.  That puts me decidedly in the minority, apparently.

&lt;i&gt;Of course&lt;/i&gt; no president can ever know everything they need to know to do the job properly.  That&#039;s what good advisers are for.  But does that excuse not being intelligent &lt;i&gt;at all&lt;/i&gt;, or not knowing anything &lt;i&gt;at all&lt;/i&gt; about what the job requires?  I certainly don&#039;t think so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem that I have is that in modern politics being intelligent and knowing what the hell you&#8217;re talking about are somehow considered <i>negatives</i> for the job of president.  I&#8217;ll never get that.  I look for a lot of things in a president, and &#8220;drinking buddy&#8221; isn&#8217;t one of them.  That puts me decidedly in the minority, apparently.</p>
<p><i>Of course</i> no president can ever know everything they need to know to do the job properly.  That&#8217;s what good advisers are for.  But does that excuse not being intelligent <i>at all</i>, or not knowing anything <i>at all</i> about what the job requires?  I certainly don&#8217;t think so.</p>
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		<title>By: gattsuru</title>
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		<dc:creator>gattsuru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 04:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You keep bringing up the &quot;But Bush was...&quot; to someone that supports a pretty wide variety of the man&#039;s positions, or at least enough to think &quot;upholding his convictions&quot; were the least of the man&#039;s problems.

Beyond that, when you bring up the &quot;good&quot; part, that&#039;s supposed to cover improper convictions.

As for intelligence...  &lt;i&gt;No one&lt;/i&gt; is smart enough to answer every question the presidency brings up.  I wouldn&#039;t want Mensa trying the Presidency without advisers, nevermind the sort of people who actually go for the seat.  That&#039;s what the entire friggen executive branch of the federal government (and part of the legislative) is there for.

Intellect has not, in the past, been a great marker for success.  Jimmy Carter, Adlai Stevenson, Lyndon Johnson, Nixon, Ford, they were all considered fairly intelligent... but they made some stupidly large mistakes.  This worship of elitist intellectualism is almost a new pseudo-religion on the level of transhumanism, and potentially as dangerous when used for the wrong ends.  It&#039;s not that intelligence is bad, but the assumption that it makes up for poor judgment or makes a good leader on its own is.

I&#039;m no genius, but I score fairly well on meters of intelligence.  That doesn&#039;t make me any good in a leadership position, and the President of the United States -- like the President of any organization -- is a leadership position.  There&#039;s an intellectual requirement, in ability to make decisions when presented with the information and to know who is and isn&#039;t trust-worthy on a subject, but the ability to make decisions and the ability to deal with people are much, much more valuable.

And, again, there&#039;s a difference between &quot;not being interested in&quot; and &quot;not focusing on&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You keep bringing up the &#8220;But Bush was&#8230;&#8221; to someone that supports a pretty wide variety of the man&#8217;s positions, or at least enough to think &#8220;upholding his convictions&#8221; were the least of the man&#8217;s problems.</p>
<p>Beyond that, when you bring up the &#8220;good&#8221; part, that&#8217;s supposed to cover improper convictions.</p>
<p>As for intelligence&#8230;  <i>No one</i> is smart enough to answer every question the presidency brings up.  I wouldn&#8217;t want Mensa trying the Presidency without advisers, nevermind the sort of people who actually go for the seat.  That&#8217;s what the entire friggen executive branch of the federal government (and part of the legislative) is there for.</p>
<p>Intellect has not, in the past, been a great marker for success.  Jimmy Carter, Adlai Stevenson, Lyndon Johnson, Nixon, Ford, they were all considered fairly intelligent&#8230; but they made some stupidly large mistakes.  This worship of elitist intellectualism is almost a new pseudo-religion on the level of transhumanism, and potentially as dangerous when used for the wrong ends.  It&#8217;s not that intelligence is bad, but the assumption that it makes up for poor judgment or makes a good leader on its own is.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m no genius, but I score fairly well on meters of intelligence.  That doesn&#8217;t make me any good in a leadership position, and the President of the United States &#8212; like the President of any organization &#8212; is a leadership position.  There&#8217;s an intellectual requirement, in ability to make decisions when presented with the information and to know who is and isn&#8217;t trust-worthy on a subject, but the ability to make decisions and the ability to deal with people are much, much more valuable.</p>
<p>And, again, there&#8217;s a difference between &#8220;not being interested in&#8221; and &#8220;not focusing on&#8221;.</p>
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