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		<title>By: Why Not Just Bring Back Whipping Posts and the Rack? &#124; Lean Left</title>
		<link>http://www.leanleft.com/archives/2008/12/30/7090/comment-page-1/#comment-621040</link>
		<dc:creator>Why Not Just Bring Back Whipping Posts and the Rack? &#124; Lean Left</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: macmurchadh</title>
		<link>http://www.leanleft.com/archives/2008/12/30/7090/comment-page-1/#comment-621026</link>
		<dc:creator>macmurchadh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 02:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your analysis is spot on. I am only 50 years old, however I am totally amazed at either our lack of memory or lack of historical education, probably both. I work and speak to working class people every day who spout the same republican BS,  $70.00 hr jobs, etc.. When polled they support the automakers positions. Granted I am in a very fundamental conservative area. However if the figures were true, how does it hurt them?  Why do they consistently vote against their own best interests?
Unions are not perfect organizations any more than the businesses they have contracts with, but can anyone dispute the essential role unions played in the creation of the now threatened, some would say defunct, middle class in this country? Is there a soul who would want to return to the bad old days before worker protections in this country?  Where did those protections come from? They don&#039;t know or remember.
Unbelievably it seems that half of our population has drunk the Kool-Aid. And this article and many others I read every day are designed to keep us drinking it - keeping us nice and quiet so they can put us back to sleep.
What did we really think was going to happen when the country with one of the highest living standards in the world, allowed politicians  to remove all practical and common sense trade controls and let capitalism and free market forces run free?
In the South, we enabled all our manufacturers (showed them the door in fact) to move off shore. We don&#039;t need these jobs; we can make it on service and high tech industries, they said.
Whoops, surprise didn&#039;t work out like they thought, or did it?
I know, lets give these foreign manufacturers a deal they can&#039;t refuse. Let&#039;s offer them a skilled non-union workforce and tax breaks for years! 
 Now we have great automotive jobs here at $15.00 per hour. I guess we should all be happy, after all it is a step up from McDonald&#039;s or even unionized (an emasculated one at that) Kroger. 
I imagine it is also the fault of non-union $15.00 per hour Toyota workers that they (Toyota) have just posted their first operating loss in company history. Maybe those workers should take a pay cut or benefit concession. 
As was predicted after the purchase of the WSJ by News Corp., what had been bad journalism for some time has only gotten worse.

mm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your analysis is spot on. I am only 50 years old, however I am totally amazed at either our lack of memory or lack of historical education, probably both. I work and speak to working class people every day who spout the same republican BS,  $70.00 hr jobs, etc.. When polled they support the automakers positions. Granted I am in a very fundamental conservative area. However if the figures were true, how does it hurt them?  Why do they consistently vote against their own best interests?<br />
Unions are not perfect organizations any more than the businesses they have contracts with, but can anyone dispute the essential role unions played in the creation of the now threatened, some would say defunct, middle class in this country? Is there a soul who would want to return to the bad old days before worker protections in this country?  Where did those protections come from? They don&#8217;t know or remember.<br />
Unbelievably it seems that half of our population has drunk the Kool-Aid. And this article and many others I read every day are designed to keep us drinking it &#8211; keeping us nice and quiet so they can put us back to sleep.<br />
What did we really think was going to happen when the country with one of the highest living standards in the world, allowed politicians  to remove all practical and common sense trade controls and let capitalism and free market forces run free?<br />
In the South, we enabled all our manufacturers (showed them the door in fact) to move off shore. We don&#8217;t need these jobs; we can make it on service and high tech industries, they said.<br />
Whoops, surprise didn&#8217;t work out like they thought, or did it?<br />
I know, lets give these foreign manufacturers a deal they can&#8217;t refuse. Let&#8217;s offer them a skilled non-union workforce and tax breaks for years!<br />
 Now we have great automotive jobs here at $15.00 per hour. I guess we should all be happy, after all it is a step up from McDonald&#8217;s or even unionized (an emasculated one at that) Kroger.<br />
I imagine it is also the fault of non-union $15.00 per hour Toyota workers that they (Toyota) have just posted their first operating loss in company history. Maybe those workers should take a pay cut or benefit concession.<br />
As was predicted after the purchase of the WSJ by News Corp., what had been bad journalism for some time has only gotten worse.</p>
<p>mm</p>
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		<title>By: KTK</title>
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		<dc:creator>KTK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;SU:&lt;/strong&gt;

Feel free to explain why they can offer the facts that the UAW &lt;em&gt;has a lengthy contract&lt;/em&gt;, demands to be &lt;em&gt;paid a price for its concessions&lt;/em&gt;, and &lt;em&gt;negotiates for its interests on a quid pro quo basis&lt;/em&gt; as &lt;em&gt;criticisms&lt;/em&gt; of the union, and still claim to uphold the basic principles of the free market. Then explain how they can characterize the worker/employer &lt;em&gt;parties to a labor contract&lt;/em&gt; as cooperative entities that &lt;em&gt;exist to negotiate with each other&lt;/em&gt;, under any standard theory of labor relations.

That is precisely what they said. We&#039;re apparently expected to take them seriously. There&#039;s obviously no reason to. But at the same time, they&#039;re not stupid enough to believe the stupid things they say. Those things just aren&#039;t reasonable, or even seriously-intended, applications of business theory to a real-world example of labor contracting. They are intended for some other purpose entirely.

I suggest they are intended to be exactly what, in fact, they actually are: criticisms of union workers, serving to undermine support for union contracts, couched in the guise of apparently serious and high-sounding, though in fact absurd, business and economics terminology. As to why the &lt;em&gt;Journal&lt;/em&gt; would undertake such a project, I can&#039;t say with authority, but it isn&#039;t hard to guess.

Alternatively, you can believe they really meant what they said, and that the editorialists of the &lt;em&gt;Wall Street Journal&lt;/em&gt; actually believe, for instance, that true business and economic theory holds that a contract can be evaluated by how many pages it has, that it is a criticism of a contracting party that they &quot;heavily negotiate&quot; for their interests and demand quid pro quo for what they give up, and so forth.  But, as I say, you&#039;ll have to give evidence for that, because it&#039;s unbelievable on its face.

&lt;strong&gt;UPDATE:&lt;/strong&gt; Re-worded slightly to make clear it was the WSJ I was criticizing, not Uncle.</description>
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<p>Feel free to explain why they can offer the facts that the UAW <em>has a lengthy contract</em>, demands to be <em>paid a price for its concessions</em>, and <em>negotiates for its interests on a quid pro quo basis</em> as <em>criticisms</em> of the union, and still claim to uphold the basic principles of the free market. Then explain how they can characterize the worker/employer <em>parties to a labor contract</em> as cooperative entities that <em>exist to negotiate with each other</em>, under any standard theory of labor relations.</p>
<p>That is precisely what they said. We&#8217;re apparently expected to take them seriously. There&#8217;s obviously no reason to. But at the same time, they&#8217;re not stupid enough to believe the stupid things they say. Those things just aren&#8217;t reasonable, or even seriously-intended, applications of business theory to a real-world example of labor contracting. They are intended for some other purpose entirely.</p>
<p>I suggest they are intended to be exactly what, in fact, they actually are: criticisms of union workers, serving to undermine support for union contracts, couched in the guise of apparently serious and high-sounding, though in fact absurd, business and economics terminology. As to why the <em>Journal</em> would undertake such a project, I can&#8217;t say with authority, but it isn&#8217;t hard to guess.</p>
<p>Alternatively, you can believe they really meant what they said, and that the editorialists of the <em>Wall Street Journal</em> actually believe, for instance, that true business and economic theory holds that a contract can be evaluated by how many pages it has, that it is a criticism of a contracting party that they &#8220;heavily negotiate&#8221; for their interests and demand quid pro quo for what they give up, and so forth.  But, as I say, you&#8217;ll have to give evidence for that, because it&#8217;s unbelievable on its face.</p>
<p><strong>UPDATE:</strong> Re-worded slightly to make clear it was the WSJ I was criticizing, not Uncle.</p>
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		<title>By: SayUncle</title>
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		<dc:creator>SayUncle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah, it&#039;s the guys at the WSJ that don&#039;t understand economics alright.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, it&#8217;s the guys at the WSJ that don&#8217;t understand economics alright.</p>
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